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Traditional vs. Self-Publishing
December 6, 2010
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The more I read about trying to get published in this genre and look for publishers that actually accept submissions for this genre the better self-publishing looks.  I also notice that most of the books I can find in web searches that fit the spiritual/visionary/newage/religious fiction genre are self-published.  I am just curious about what others opinions are on this.  Let us know what your experience has been and what if anything you would do differntly.

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December 15, 2010
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The more I read about trying to get published in this genre and look for publishers that actually accept submissions for this genre the better self-publishing looks.  I also notice that most of the books I can find in web searches that fit the spiritual/visionary/newage/religious fiction genre are self-published.  I am just curious about what others opinions are on this.  Let us know what your experience has been and what if anything you would do differntly.


Although I am not yet ready to publish my book, it does appear that self-publishing is the quickest way to get started. It may not be the best route if you can be patient and send your manuscript out and have it accepted by a traditional publisher. Traditional publishing can take months and even over a year. I hope to generate interest in my book through my website before deciding on a publishing option. Good luck, authors!<img class="sfsmiley" title="Wink" onclick="sfjLoadSmiley('sf-wink.gif', 'Wink', 'http://spiritualfiction.net/wp.....&#039;, 'Wink', '1');" src="../../../wp-content/forum-smileys/sf-wink.gif" alt="Wink" />

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January 21, 2011
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The problem with self-publishing is marketing.  Who will buy or even know your book is out there?  You need to find a way to beat the drum, which isn't easy.  Even if you get published by a small press, you need to promote yourself.  That's a challenge and a new phenomenon.  My book should be coming out this year so I'm trying to figure out how to generate interest.  I've started a twitter account, a blog, a facebook page.  The whole idea of it makes me nervous.  It seems like getting yourself in print is just the beginning.EmbarassedCrySurprised 

 

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And look for Saint Peter Killed God on Slushpilereader.com, authonomy.com, and on Facebook 

 

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April 10, 2011
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I tried the traditional route for over three years and go tired of hearing "your book is great BUT there's no market for it" (or variations on that theme). I've gone the self-publishing route and my book is coming out in May as an Ebook only (to test the waters). It's been hard work, having to do for myself all that a publisher/editor would normally do, but I'm finding that it's a breath of fresh air in my life. The creative freedom; the challenges; the personal growth; and the test of faith, have all been enlightening.  If a "spiritual fiction" story is good enough, it will rise to the surface whether it's traditionally published or self-published and publishing my book is the only way I'll find out and learn from my mistakes.

One marketing challenge I'm still seeking a solution to is the number of review sites that refuse to take on self-pubbed books, which – in this time of new paths and the birth of a new publishing era – is discriminatory. There are good books and bad books out there in the reading world, and not all the bad books are self-pubbed. In fact, some of the more creative and insightful books that break new ground are self-published *because* of the creative freedom the writers have, just as some of the traditionally published books are ho-hum, same old, because the traditional publishers have bottom lines to worry about and they go for what sells, not what seeks to find an individual truth.

So, yes, this path I've chosen will be hard but – my goodness – it's also so exciting!

April 16, 2011
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Judy,

I am glad you found us here and I hope you find the site and its members useful in your endevour.  We are seeing the same shift in books that we saw a few years ago in music where the entire model of publishing and making money is changing drastically.  In the way that big record labels no longer control one's ability to break into the music business, the big publishers will find that they no longer will be able to shut out truly determined authors.  Nor, do we really need them anyway. 

In both industries the entire model was designed so that the person who's creative effort was most invested in the product profited the least from it.  Self-publising or publishing through a small publisher (kind of like an Inde Record Label) means that the percentage of profit can be higher, but the audience will likely be smaller.  That is not a bad thing though.  It just means that we have a lot more choice in what we read.

Contratulations on taking the leap!  Let us know when and where the book is available and hopefully we can get someone to review it here.  BTW - I can always use help with reviews here if you are interested in writing one for someone else's book.  Perhaps they would return the favor and write one for yours...

Take care,

Andrew

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April 17, 2011
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Hi Andrew, thanks for the encouragement and I'm glad I found this site too. I'll link to it on my blog under "interesting links". I'm a bit quiet on the social media front in the final push to get my e-book out (Dancing in the Shadows of Love should be out mid-May, God willing!) but once that's over I'll be more active. I've just finished making my book trailer (such fun!). It's up on my blog, and once the book is out, I'll contact you and submit for a review (although it is aimed more at women readers). I'm also happy to do reviews, as long as I have a long enough lead-in date for the deadline, and you're happy to wait until after end of May, when the dust should have settled around the launch? Do you have any specific book in mind that you'd like me to review? You can reach me at [email protected].

All the best,

Judy, South Africa

May 5, 2011
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I really don't fancy the self publishing route, I want to try the old fashioned way, so can anyone advise me on spiritual fiction agents/publishers??? Thanks x

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Earth Horse said:

I really don't fancy the self publishing route, I want to try the old fashioned way, so can anyone advise me on spiritual fiction agents/publishers??? Thanks x


Earth Horse,

 

I wish I did know of any...  unfortunately the publishing world hasn't taken this genre all that seriously...  When you look at the more well known novels that could be classified in this category you find big name publishers that don't necessarily focus on this stuff, but picked up these novels after they were already pretty successful.  About the only way to attract an agent/publisher would be to try to sell the novel as being something other than spiritual fiction.

I really predict that the preconceptions of self-publishing are going to disolve pretty quickly as the big publishing houses (like big movie companies) aren't willing to take chances on unproven authors.  Instead they would rather keep churning out the big names that sell books.  The counter culture to this (as with independent fillms and Inde record labels) is going to be the ebook and self-published novels.  Unfotunately that requires authors to also have a business sense or to partner with someone who does...

There are a number of newer small "publishers" that really just take care of the self-publishing stuff for you.  This is a good option if you don't think you can do it all yourself, but none of them have the budget to really do any promoting and the author ends up doing all the grassroots work anyway.  Like getting onto forums and making themselves known...  Wink

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May 18, 2011
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I'm (self) publishing my metaphysical spiritual romance through Balboa Press, a subsidary of Hay House.  Hay House is one of the largest publishing houses for spiritual non-fiction.  Balbao Press is their author assisted publishing division that takes on fiction. I'm close to luanch time. I'll let you know how the finished product is received.

May 27, 2011
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TeraLuna,

 

Glad to hear you are making progress.  Keep us posted on how it goes...  Good Luck!

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August 9, 2011
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I tried the traditional route for over three years and go tired of hearing "your book is great BUT there's no market for it" (or variations on that theme). I've gone the self-publishing route and my book is coming out in May as an Ebook only (to test the waters). It's been hard work, having to do for myself all that a publisher/editor would normally do, but I'm finding that it's a breath of fresh air in my life. The creative freedom; the challenges; the personal growth; and the test of faith, have all been enlightening.  If a "spiritual fiction" story is good enough, it will rise to the surface whether it's traditionally published or self-published and publishing my book is the only way I'll find out and learn from my mistakes.
One marketing challenge I'm still seeking a solution to is the number of review sites that refuse to take on self-pubbed books, which – in this time of new paths and the birth of a new publishing era – is discriminatory. There are good books and bad books out there in the reading world, and not all the bad books are self-pubbed. In fact, some of the more creative and insightful books that break new ground are self-published *because* of the creative freedom the writers have, just as some of the traditionally published books are ho-hum, same old, because the traditional publishers have bottom lines to worry about and they go for what sells, not what seeks to find an individual truth.
So, yes, this path I've chosen will be hard but – my goodness – it's also so exciting!

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Well put Jean!  That is exactly why I created this site.  Good luck to you and us all! - Andrew

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December 16, 2011
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Hey,

Interesting topic.  A few years ago I wrote a fictional book with a strong spiritual twist.  I then submitted these to agents (in the UK as I'm English) but almost all of them came back with the comment that although the writing was good - they didn't know where to place it.

At that time, and perhaps still now, the biggest and most successful spiritual fiction books were The Alchemist, The Celestine Prophecy, Jonathan Livingstone's Seagull - the usual bunch.  The thing was all these books were big YEARS ago.  Looking at the current market (this was around 5 years ago) basically the money wasn't in it.

So with the advice from a highly regarded critique agency, I rewrote the book - from scratch - as a young adult novel because the YA market is a lot more open than the adult market particularly in the UK.  You can write fantasy novels and have angels and it be ok.  So I toned down the spiritual angle and made it a lot more contemporary plus I added a huge love twist, put in some sexual tension and made it darker - which was everything the YA market needs for a bestseller.  

On top of making the book fit the market, I also studied marketing, I trained as a copywriter, I got a job with a 7-figure business to learn some internet marketing skills . ..I basically did everything I could to look at the market and what marketingskills I needed to break into it! My ephiphany moment came when I realised in order to get my message out, I needed it to be mainstream and I needed to get over my 'stuff' about promotion.

Because for all the best message in the world - if I'm not willing to back the book, and ultimately myself, then the book is going to stay hidden.  And I don't know about anyone else, but I wrote my book because I 100% believed it could help people.  The message is a lot subtler in this version, but no less powerful, and if for being mainstream it hits and big time and helps others, then I've done my job.

So for what it's worth and I hope it's ok to share . . .my tips for marketing and trying to write - is don't try to do it all! It's just not possible.  Have a great marketing strategy, know your market, hire a book/marketing coach if nec and outsource what you can to others (your social media for example) so you can focus on the writing and what you love to do. 

Hannah M.Davis

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December 16, 2011
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Sorry - reading this back I realised I went completely off-topic!Embarassed

I agree with all previous comments that the book industry is in a massive period of change and this is really exciting for new authors.  I've also heard that traditional publishers are using the kindle bestseller list as a kind of slush pile and IF this is true I can totally see why.  An author who has gone out there and published their book and who already has a fanbase and has demonstrated initiative in getting this far is probably a far more attractive bet than a new author who just sends in a manuscript.  It's active versus passive to use a writing analogy. Wink

Plus I think even with a big publisher, you just can't rely on them to do all your marketing for you. 

On that note . . .am off to write my latest blog post!!!  

Good luck to everyone on here - I love connecting with fellow authors and seeing your messages. You're here to write for a reason and I guess my final word is trust whatever path you take.  I always dreamed of being picked up by a huge publisher for my 1st book and getting a deal worth squillions . . . well that didn't happen.  I got picked up by a small publisher and didn't get an advance at all!

But I also know this publisher fits where I am exactly and allows me to break into the industry. And as writers we keep growing and growing, sometimes it's all about that first step and trusting it is the right one.

I really am going now. 

Hannah

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